When I watch my mom iron a shirt, a pair of pants, or anything else, I'm just in awe. I don't know HOW she does it so effortlessly. When she's finished, she has a totally and completely wrinkle-free garment.
Ironing is not something I do well.
Please note that I didn't say that it is not something I do, because I have been known on occasion to pull out the ironing board and the iron.
I've actually timed myself while ironing a dress shirt. I am PROUD to say that I can now iron a dress shirt in LESS THAN 45 minutes! It's not necessarily wrinkle-free, but it's passable.
My mom has tried to teach me so many times how to do this the right way. Remember, this is the same woman who is a perfectionist about bed-making and towel-folding , so you can imagine what those "lessons" are like! Heck, she even keeps her ironing board up ALL THE TIME!
When I went through all my clothes over Labor Day weekend, I tried to look at things with an objective eye. There were things that I know needed ironed and I thought to myself, "Self, if you would get up half an hour earlier each morning, you could iron those things and they would be wearable for school."
That lasted about all of a day. Not too long after I had ironed some shirts for Ted this past summer, my mom called and asked me what I was doing. I casually mentioned that I had just finished ironing Ted's shirts. She asked me how long it took and I told her...I ironed 3 shirts in about 2 hours and 55 minutes. She said, "Why didn't you just bring them here so I could iron them?"
Well, I can be a little independent at times, and I know that someday the time will come when I can't depend on my mom for things like this. Besides, I've tried not to ask her to do anything like that for me since she had open heart surgery this past January. Although she's completely recovered, I still don't want to give her more to do than she already has.
Now I just basically look at things and hope they aren't too wrinkled. If they are, I put them in the dryer with a damp towel or washcloth and hope for the best. I can spend hours ironing and what we wear will end up looking like it never saw a hot, flat surface.
I'm not the only one who doesn't iron. My nieces don't iron. My sisters-in-law don't iron. I seriously doubt if my aunts iron, and I don't think my cousins iron either. Some of the people I work with don't iron. Of course I haven't asked them all, so that's why I'm saying SOME.
Those few people that do iron, either can do it extremely well, or struggle with it big time, like me.
And that's why it's becoming a lost art.
Wednesday, October 17, 2007
A Lost Art
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Tuesday, October 16, 2007
My Cousin Lynne
I have a cousin who is seven years older than me. When I was younger I absolutely ADORED her! Whenever we were together, I would follow her everywhere and do everything she did, or at least I would try to.
We lived about an hour and a half away from each other, and her mom and my dad are brother and sister. There wasn't a thing about Lynne that I didn't love.
She spelled her name with an "e" at the end. Wow, when I was a child, that was a special thing. It set her apart from everyone else and gave her a little more class in my book.
She was an only child, and that was great in my opinion. She had no younger brother (like I did) who would constantly bother her and get in the way.
Lynne took piano lessons, so whenever we went to visit them, I had her show me how to play something on the piano. I can read music, but trying to get both of those hands going at the same time...well, that's not quite something I've mastered yet! HOWEVER...when I was in kindergarten my teacher asked if anyone knew how to play the piano and I raised my hand. I figured that Lynne had taught me well enough that I could get by. My teacher asked me to play something for the class and I just pounded the crap out of those keys, hahaha! She told me to go back to my seat then...I guess she wasn't impressed.
Lynne was also a majorette. Now THAT was really cool! When I would stay there for a few weeks every summer, she would have to go outside and practice baton for about an hour before she even ate breakfast. Of course, I would be right outside with her. She could twirl 2 batons at one time and that was so cool to watch. I started trying to do her routines with her.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, those of you who know me personally can now QUIT laughing like crazy.
All things considered, I really wasn't that bad. At the time. When I was young. Way back when. Way WAY back when. In a previous life. When I weighed a LOT less, and I do mean A LOT LESS.
I even went so far as to tell my high school band director that I might consider trying out for majorette. (I told you people to stop laughing!) But she told me that I wouldn't make it because I played trumpet and I was pretty good at it and she needed me there. Did I believe her? Of course I did, hahaha!
Lynne had contacts. So naturally I wanted glasses so I could get contacts too. Lynne had braces for a while. I wanted them too...at least until the time came to get my impressions taken and then I changed my mind and talked my parents out of me getting them. Besides, they would have interfered with my trumpet playing.
I felt bad for Lynne though. Whenever I would stay there, she had to take me everywhere. Not only did I really want to go, but my aunt (her mom) MADE her take me. She would take me to the park swimming pool. Of course she would stand around and talk to the guys (who ALWAYS seemed to be hovering nearby!). If she and her current boyfriend were going to go out riding around, there I was, in the backseat. Oh man, those guys must have HATED me for that!
I would just love to watch her get ready to go somewhere. She had to get out her clothes, which were absolutely perfect and gorgeous on her. Then she would start her whole make-up routine. That would take about an hour to get it absolutely perfect. Then she would do her hair. She wore her hair so many different ways that it constantly amazed me. It would be nothing for her to take over 2 hours to get ready to go anyplace, and I loved watching her get ready each step of the way.
So anyway, Lynne was like my idol. She was beautiful. She had these gorgeous high cheekbones and long, thick dark hair. Her smile was absolutely beautiful too. She wore a size 2, so she was thin. She reminded me a little bit of Cher, of Sonny and Cher, only Lynne was much prettier.
Lynne decided to become a teacher and went away to college. Fortunately she stayed her in Ohio, but a couple hours from home. She was a majorette in college too. Oh, how I idolized her.
Her boyfriend that she met in college would come to my aunt's house and stay for a few days at a time (in another room, of course) and I'm sure that he got real tired of me really quick. But he never let on. He was a pretty nice guy back then. Once he and Lynne got engaged, it was REALLY great, because he had "connections" with the Cincinnati Reds and our Grandma was a big Reds fan. The boyfriend's dad had an executive position with the Reds and back when the "Big Red Machine" was in existence in the 1970s it really paid off. Lynne and Grandma went to several World Series games and sat right behind home plate. Lynne got to meet many of the Reds players and even got a baseball autographed by all the team members for my younger brother. That would include players like Johnny Bench, Pete Rose (yeah, I know), Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, Dave Concepcion, George Foster, Ken Griffey, Cesar Geronimo, and others.
She graduated from college and got a teaching job immediately. She was teaching 4th grade, living away from home, engaged to a great guy.
Lynne also had some bad luck.
When she was in high school she had to have her wisdom teeth removed. They were so impacted that they had to be removed in the hospital. She ended up in ICU for a couple of days because things just didn't go smoothly.
Her freshman year in college, she caught mono. She had it really bad. She had to come home and she missed an entire quarter. It took her a couple of summers to get those classes made up. Then she found out that her boyfriend/fiance just wasn't quite the man she thought he was, and she broke up with him. She eventually met another man and fell in love and got married. He turned out to be gay, so she divorced him. She met yet another guy, fell in love again, and got married. After a few years she became pregnant. When she was 4 months pregnant, she had appendicitis and had to have her appendix removed and was on morphine. Of course it wasn't an easy procedure, because nothing with her ever is. Fortunately her daughter was born 4 months later (a month premature) and everything was fine.
It gets worse. She and her husband were walking out of a restaurant with their daughter and Lynne had on those Dr. Scholl's wooden foot sandals. (Yes, I had several pair too...just because Lynne did!). She fell as she was walking out and broke her ankle. Of course it wasn't just a normal break, it was all messed up. The doctor that set it and put a cast on it did a terrible job. About 4 months or so later she had to have surgery on the ankle and have it re-broken and cast again. That didn't work either. She had to have some other kind of surgery on it and they had to put the lower half of her leg in a halo type contraption. She had three titanium rods through her leg, holding the halo in place. Then a week before the surgery to remove it, she felt a snap and one of the titanium rods snapped inside of her leg. Her surgery was moved up to IMMEDIATELY. Not too long after all that got sort of straightened out she was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Of course she has the worst case that her team of doctors have ever seen. She has osteoarthritis in her back and was in severe back pain for a long time....months and months. This was going on during her flare ups with fibro. She finally had back surgery to fuse certain vertebrae, and is now in even worse pain.
At this time she is practically bed-ridden.
If it weren't for bad luck, Lynne wouldn't have any.
It's hard to see the person that I so badly wanted to be like slowly turn into the person that I would least want to be. I feel so bad for her.
I guess we never really appreciate what all we have, even if it's not what we thought we wanted.
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Sunday, October 14, 2007
Old Shows
I have a theory on why so many of us watch and thoroughly enjoy old television shows. When we watch them, they remind us of the times that we originally watched them, and take us back to an earlier time in our lives.
Last weekend we stumbled across "The Lawrence Welk Show" on PBS. Ted and I sat there watching it, with smiles on our faces. Joey and Alex thought we were crazy, but Alex ended up enjoying it and was looking forward to this weekend when he could watch it again.
Ted said that as a child he had seen it with his parents. I can recall spending an occasional Saturday night at my grandparents' house and watching "Lawrence Welk" and "Leave it to Beaver."
Yes, I even remember hearing Lawrence talk about how wonderful Geritol was. I loved seeing the Lennon Sisters, Bobby and Sissy (the dancers), the tap dancing guy, and JoAnn Castle, the woman who played the piano while looking out at the audience with this HUGE grin on her face. I also knew the closing song by memory and loved watching them sing it, with the women on one side and the men on the other. And their long, pretty dresses...wow.
I recall my Grandpa laughing at that darn Eddie Haskell and his antics. He thought Eddie was quite a character. Of course I wanted to grow up and be Wally's girlfriend.
Oh yes, the times of our youth...when we had no problems or cares.
There are other shows that bring back memories too. When "Gilligan's Island" was on (Monday evenings), it was my bathtime, and I remember trying to get away from my mom, and sitting on the back of the couch. All I wanted to do was watch Gilligan and see Ginger's pretty dresses.
On Tuesday nights, the "Red Skelton Show" was on and I could only watch part of it because my bedtime was 8:30 SHARP.
One Friday evening during the summer I was watching "The Flintstones" and my brother fell and cracked his head open on a small rocking chair. We had to take him to the ER to get stitched up and I was MAD! How dare he interrupt me while watching my favorite cartoon!
Ted likes to watch Nick at Night occasionally and I really do think that it's because it reminds him of his youth. He also absolutely ADORES M*A*S*H. I still get a kick out of the Brady Bunch. It was always interesting to see what kind of predicaments those Brady kids got into.
Yep, life was a lot simpler back then.
Oh yeah, one more thing.
(This post sure is showing my age!)
I can remember the first time I saw "The Wizard of Oz" in color. It was only on once a year, in the spring. My grandparents had just purchased one of those new fangled COLOR televisions! My mom took my best friend at the time, Mary, and me into town to watch the show at Grandma and Grandpa's house. We had already had our baths, and were in our pajamas, and my brother had to stay home with my dad, so we could watch it UNINTERRUPTED. It was absolutely WONDERFUL! I never knew that color TV could be so great!
Yep, life sure was simpler then...
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Saturday, October 13, 2007
Social Events
When I was in high school (way back when) homecoming consisted of a night of football designed to bring back the alumni, a reason to conduct yet another popularity contest by selecting a queen, and a very casual dance in the gym after the game.
Times have changed a little.
Last night was our local high school homecoming football game. It is pretty much irrelevant that we lost 22-6.
The important things were that the alumni were honored and a queen was chosen. Our high school has a regular choir and several select groups. Back in the day, we only had the choir and one select group, the Chorale. I was fortunate enough to be in the Chorale.
(This is where I really made out...I took a lot of classes my freshman, sophomore, and junior years and basically had no study halls, all with the intent of goofing off my senior year. It worked, hahaha! I had FOUR classes in the music department that year: Chorale, Choir, Stage Band, and regular band. Of course I also had government and a couple other electives, but it was basically a pretty easy year. Intentionally.)
One of the retired music directors directed the alumni Chorale, mixed in with current Chorale members, in the alma mater before the start of last night's game. About a decade or so ago I participated in this for a few years. It was fun. I picked up the music ahead of time, learned my part, showed up for rehearsal an hour before game time, sang at the game, went to my seat, and that was it. And for the record, I was NOT the oldest alumni in the Chorale!
Last night I chose not to participate. In fact, I was at school working until the middle of the second quarter, but that's another story.
At halftime homecoming attendants were recognized, then senior attendants were selected as the king and queen of the event. I've always considered this a personality contest, but that's my opinion.
(I'm making a few assumptions here, based on the last few years' events, since I was NOT at last night's game and didn't listen to all of it on the radio. If I'm wrong on anything, I'm sure Christa will straighten me out!)
Tonight....ah yes, tonight is the Homecoming DANCE. Over the years this has become much more of a formal event and it's on the night following the game. Girls wear formal dresses, and the guys wear suits (they don't usually get tuxes for this event, thank goodness).
From the first day of school in August (I didn't realize this until I spent a little time with a few high schoolers that I had NOT given birth to) dates for Homecoming are arranged. Because dating has changed over the years, many kids go to Homecoming in groups, and/or as friends, with no "romantic" interest at all.
Alex is a high school junior. Alex is stubborn. Alex is bull-headed. Alex will not listen to reason.
How bad is it to want your son to go to Homecoming?? I just want him to experience a semi-formal social event that doesn't include dancing with your aunts, cousins, mother, or grandmother (like a family wedding). He has his own car, so he wouldn't need to be chauffeured to the dance. He has a suit. He has ME to help him select a corsage for the girl he would take.
But noooooooooooooooooooooo, we can't go to Homecoming.
Why, you might ask?
Because Alex doesn't want to.
He continually says that he's just not interested. Personally, I think he's afraid of being rejected by a female. However, we know people who have daughters who are in high school (our high school and others in the area) and I'm sure that he would have a date....a friend date....but he's just not interested.
Joey never went to Homecoming or Prom. I didn't push the issue too much with him because he is just not a social person. I didn't want to shove him out of his "comfort zone." And besides, I knew that I had "Mr. Personality" waiting in the wings.
However, "Mr. Personality" has disappointed me.
Okay, so maybe I'm trying to relive my youth a little, but is that so wrong? I know that once he got there he would have a great time. That's just the way he is.
I'd been asking him about one of his friends, Tim. "Is Tim going to Homecoming?"
"I don't know MOTHER."
"Come on...you have to know if he's going or not."
"I said, 'I don't know.' "
It went on from there, but really isn't worth repeating.
The other day, when I got home from school, Tim was here.
"Hey Tim...are you going to Homecoming?"
This is where Alex said, "Come on Tim, we have to go....NOW."
"Hold on a minute....Tim? Are you going?" I asked.
Tim said, "Yes I am...with ****, a girl I'm friends with."
"Did you hear that Alex???? TIM IS GOING TO HOMECOMING."
Tim said, "Alex already knows I'm going."
Let's just say that I shot Alex a look that said it all.
After Tim left, Alex said that he purposely didn't tell me because he knew I'd flip out.
FINE.
WHATEVER.
I'M DONE.
So tonight, while most area teens are at the Homecoming Dance, my teenage son will be sitting here at home with us.
Hmmmmm.....maybe that's not so bad, after all.
But he's definitely going to Prom.
Posted by Cindi at 9:36 AM 3 comments
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Thursday, October 11, 2007
Fan Mail and Funeral Homes
Okay, I know it's been a little while since I've updated. It was called to my attention last evening in fan mail!!
Yes folks, you read that right...I got FAN MAIL!! (via email)
Terre made me feel SO good when she wrote and told me that she "couldn't take it anymore" and had to find out what was going on.
Thank you Terre....for being a writer yourself, and then complimenting me on my writing....well, WOW! You made my night!!
If you are offended by funeral home stories, feel free to stop reading here.
Ted and I have some friends that we've known forever. Ted and Mark knew each other BEFORE they started kindergarten! I first met Mark when I was a sophomore in high school. He was in band with me, as was his wife Debbie. I've known Debbie since I was a junior in high school. So it's safe to say that the four of us go WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back.
Mark was an only child who was born when his parents were in their 40s. Although that's not too big of a deal now, way back when it was definitely NOT the norm.
Oh yeah. Mark has red hair. And the temper that goes with it. Enough said.
I played trumpet in band and Mark and Debbie did too. Mark was an excellent trumpet player. He was always capable of hitting those really high notes. I'd get a little worried about him when he hit a really high note and his hair would turn redder and his face would turn purple, but he always made it through okay.
Mark also took drafting classes in high school and went to Cleveland one evening in March of his junior year for a competition. His parents went with him, as did the parents of the other students involved. Unfortunately his dad had a heart attack and died in an elevator in Cleveland that night. What a sad time that was. After that it was just Mark and his mom Elda.
After graduation Mark went off to the University of Cincinnati and became an engineer. Elda was so proud of him. Every time I would see her in the grocery store or somewhere else she would always talk about Mark and his latest accomplishments. After college graduation Mark came back to the area and was working for ODOT, the Ohio Department of Transportation. I know that Elda was so relieved to have him nearby.
Mark and his wife Debbie began dating (they never dated in high school...funny, isn't it?) and got married, and had their first son. Elda would always stop me and tell me how things were going with them and how much she relied on Mark to help her with things. After Mark and Debbie had their second son, they eventually went through Elda's house for her, to get her ready to move. Elda was known as a pack rat and it was a rough job, going through everything, but they did it. They got her moved and kept a close eye on things.
Elda loved saving things. She would save styrofoam meat trays. She would save paper bags. She saved plastic bags. She would buy Cool Whip just to save the containers. She had enough foil pie pans to bake pies for everyone in the county. She collected rubber bands. She hoarded clothing, and only wore a few of the same pieces all the time. Before they knew it, Mark and Debbie had to go to Elda's new house and "reduce" her collection again.
Elda had her share of health issues over the years. She had three strokes over a 12 year period or so. She had high blood pressure. She had some other ailments too. But the thing about Elda was that she always bounced back, better than ever.
We said that Elda would outlive us all.
A couple of years ago she had to go the nursing home, but was still coherent at the beginning of her stay. She started going downhill several months ago.
Mark has had a rough year. He was diagnosed with diabetes a few years back and this past spring had to have a big toe amputated due to some complications related to the diabetes. After a week long stay in the hospital for that, he came home for a few days before being admitted again with a staph infection. He was only in for several days that time. When we saw him in late July he was still hooking himself to IV antibiotics twice a day. He said he only had a week to go with that though.
A few weeks later, Ted ran into Debbie and she told him that Mark had had a stroke. At that time he was at a hospital about half an hour away and would soon be heading to the Cleveland Clinic for treatment. After his release from the clinic he went to a nursing home for some rehab. This was definitely NOT the Mark that we had known.
Life takes some wild turns occasionally. Sigh.
Mark got released from the nursing home about a week ago. Two days ago they got the call from Elda's nursing home telling them that they needed to get there fast. She passed away late Tuesday afternoon, at the age of 90.
I guess she didn't outlive us all.
We were at the funeral home tonight, and although it was sad, it was nice to see Mark sitting there able to talk and walk. He gave us the "Cliff Notes" version of what he had gone through and it's amazing that he's come as far as he has. He said that he's going back to work as a construction engineer at ODOT on November 10. I sure hope it goes well for him.
We saw quite a few people there that we knew from high school. Ironically the woman that had been the secretary at the high school works at the funeral home as a greeter. She is SO awesome! She always gives all of us a hug when she sees us and is just the greatest woman!
There were people there that we had seen at Ted's high school reunion, and others who either didn't make it to the reunion or didn't graduate with Ted. For being a sad occasion, it was kind of nice. Do you know what I mean?
Is that a bad thing to say? It was almost fun. (I'm looking up, hoping that I'm not going to be struck by lightning for saying that.)
A lot of us got caught up on each other's lives and we saw Mark and Debbie's oldest son, who is in the Coast Guard. He was in his dress blues and looked SO sharp!
Ted was rolling his eyes at me because I asked a few people I know if they've had their colonoscopies yet, hahaha. I try not to ever miss an opportunity to push the scope issue.
Our local funeral home now serves COOKIES AND LEMONADE during the viewing!! I've read a series of books (Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum books) in which they have cookies at the funeral home and laughed hysterically, but to see it in real life?? Ted said that he just has a hard time having cookies with the deceased watching over him. I know, that's a shock for Ted, because I don't ever remember him passing up a chance to have a couple of cookies, but that's his thought on the subject.
For those of you who are offended by my take on the funeral home bit, I apologize. For those of you who are not offended, well....next time you visit the funeral home, ask if they have snickerdoodles.
Posted by Cindi at 8:15 PM 3 comments
Labels: cookies, funeral home, Terre
Saturday, October 6, 2007
Choices
For the past couple of years I've purchased a hand-painted cookie jar, filled with biscotti from Sam's Club. They have them in the fall and they're pretty, in my opinion.
Last year, my wonderful husband made this comment, "Why did you get another one? We already have one."
Me, "They're DIFFERENT and I like them. Is that a problem?"
End of subject.
A few weeks ago we were working on cleaning the kitchen, and he accidentally dropped the lid to one of the cookie jars. I didn't say a word. I know he didn't do it on purpose, and as the ceramic lid broke, it cut his hand. He apologized and I've never brought it up since. (Which is hard for me, because I tend to dwell on things.)
Well today we went to Sam's Club for some things. It's a little over 25 miles away, so we don't go very often, but it was time to go because we needed several items that we normally get there.
The cookie jars were out.
YES!!
HOWEVER....there was a problem.
They had at least FIVE different styles. Come on! In the past they have just had a single version. Period. Having so many choices? That's just not fair. Why would they do that? Couldn't they just stick with ONE?? They were even different colors. Whose brilliant idea was it to turn a simple Saturday afternoon excursion into a decision making nightmare?
I looked at Ted and asked him which one we should get, but NOT the one with the handle. He actually looked at them instead of saying, "I don't care" or "We don't need another one."
He picked one up and said he liked the unique shape, and put it in the cart. Thank goodness.
I hate decisons like that.
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Labels: cookie jar, decisions, Sam's
Thursday, October 4, 2007
Grape
At some point in my youth (around the age of 10 or 11) I survived a life-changing event. It was wicked for a short while, but I quickly adjusted and have gotten by just fine in the subsequent years.
I used to spend a couple of weeks with my aunt and grandma every summer, right after school was out. This isn't my italian grandmother, but my other one. She and my aunt (my dad's sister) lived together, along with my aunt's daughter, my cousin Lynne. Three women of three different generations, all living together. It really was fun when I'd go to visit. My aunt had a beauty shop in her house and I just LOVED going there and seeing her customers. I liked them and they liked me.
My aunt's customers would always bring things for her...it could be fresh tomatoes from their garden, strawberries right from the local patch, various baked goods, and things like that. My aunt was very appreciative of those gifts. Her customers were great people, for the most part. There were always a few that could never be pleased, yet they continued to return to the shop, week after week, year after year.
This particular "vacation" that I spent there was pretty much uneventful UNTIL a customer brought my aunt and grandma a box of penny candy. It was a big box and it was FULL! My aunt always encouraged me to do whatever I wanted while I was there, so it was no big surprise when my aunt told me to have as much of the candy as I wanted, and besides, she and my grandma didn't care for candy all that much.
For some reason I was drawn to the grape bubblegum. Mmmmmmmmm....it was SOOOOOOOOOOO good!
I chewed a piece of it, and within about 10 minutes, it had lost its flavor. So I did what any normal kid would do. I put in another piece. And another. And another. After about 20 pieces of grape gum, I realized that I didn't feel very well. My stomach began churning....a LOT. I thought it would probably be best if I hung out in the bathroom for a while. I'll never forget just sitting on the tile floor in the bathroom, waiting for the inevitable.
Prior to this event, I had probably thrown up about 3 or 4 times in my entire life. Throwing up is not something I do very often. However, I was soon to make up for lost time.
I began to heave violently. Over and over. I was absolutely miserable. As soon as I finished and caught my breath, it would start again. I spent about an hour throwing up the taste of grape gum.
It doesn't taste good coming back up.
That was the LAST time I ate anything grape flavored. I don't eat grape lifesavors. I don't eat grape jelly beans. I don't eat grape Smarties. I definitely don't chew grape bubblegum.
However, the weird thing is that I will eat green grapes. I won't eat purple grapes though. And the thought of drinking grape juice makes me cringe.
And that, my friends, is why I avoid grape anything.
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Tuesday, October 2, 2007
Let the Games Begin!
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